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    Default How many vehicles (smart) actually have NON-synthetic leather?

    Yeah, well, dumbass here bought some gliptone cleaner & nourisher before finding out that the "Alcantra" is actually a branded synthetic suede "leather".

    At least we have some real leather on another vehicle.

    So how many real leathers were / are there across the Smart ranges?

    When did we slip from vinyl (as was described for years) vs leather ..to leather that is not (but is apparantly acceptable).

    When folk on here talk of faults in leather I have no clue as to REAL REAL, or well marketed plastic looky-likey.
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    Default Re: How many vehicles (smart) actually have NON-synthetic leather?

    The fake stuff in the smart is Mercedes Artico (at least it is in my non-Brabus 453)

    100% Deceptive advertising

    Some proper Brabus variants may well be proper leather, but I donít think all.
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    Default Re: How many vehicles (smart) actually have NON-synthetic leather?

    If it is described as Artico - then it is manmade suede.
    If it is described as leather - then it is animal hide.


    Certainly all the "leather" on the Roadster & 450 ranges was actual animal hide.


    Not very good hide admittedly - and microns thin and veneered onto a manmade fabric - but animal nonetheless and no good for vegetarians or vegans.

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    Default Re: How many vehicles (smart) actually have NON-synthetic leather?

    Quote Originally Posted by 137699 View Post
    If it is described as Artico - then it is manmade suede.


    You're mistaking Artico for suede, Artico is leather look-a-like, Alcantara is a suede look-a-like.


    If it is described as leather - then it is animal hide.

    Wrong - that's the problem, mercedes market Artico as leather (making you assume it's animal hide), when it's clearly not. This is definitely the case with the 453.


    From the 453 brochure:
    prime- 15-inch5-twin-spoke alloy wheels painted in black with a high-sheenfinish
    Panoramic roof with sunprotectionĻ>
    Radiator trim in black≤Interior
    Dashboard and door centre panel in black fabric

    Dashboard instruments with cockpit clock and rev counter

    Grab handle for front passenger

    Upholstery in black leather with grey topstitching

    It's not leather when they say it is!
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    Default Re: How many vehicles (smart) actually have NON-synthetic leather?

    https://uk.motor1.com/news/306051/me...-compensation/


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...synthetic.html


    Certainly all the "leather" on the Roadster & 450 ranges was actual animal hide.
    Not very good hide admittedly - and microns thin and veneered onto a manmade fabric - but animal nonetheless and no good for vegetarians or vegans.

    Maybe the Brabus variants....
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    Default Re: How many vehicles (smart) actually have NON-synthetic leather?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheAlmostInvisibleMan View Post
    You're mistaking Artico for suede, Artico is leather look-a-like, Alcantara is a suede look-a-like.
    I had Artico in my A45 - it looked like this:





    Quite clearly suede and NOT described as Alcantara.




    Quote Originally Posted by TheAlmostInvisibleMan View Post
    Wrong - that's the problem, mercedes market Artico as leather (making you assume it's animal hide), when it's clearly not. This is definitely the case with the 453.

    I was referring to 450 & 452 - as I clearly stated.

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    Default Re: How many vehicles (smart) actually have NON-synthetic leather?

    The 452 /roadster was fake leather .Treated mine for years with leather cleaner, then about four years ago found out it was faux.

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    Default Re: How many vehicles (smart) actually have NON-synthetic leather?

    Quote Originally Posted by honbeat View Post
    The 452 /roadster was fake leather .Treated mine for years with leather cleaner, then about four years ago found out it was faux.

    How exactly did you "find out it was faux"?
    Considering it is NOT faux and is actual animal hide, I'd love to see the evidence...

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