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    Default Hoping to be a Smart Owner on Saturday

    Hi I am hoping to buy my first Smart on Saturday! I have just paid a deposit and going to view it on the weekend it's a LHD 450 with 59k and full service history. It has a short mot but the garage is confident that it will pass it's next one.

    Anyway my main question is should the engine be in good running order if it's been regularly serviced or do the all start getting issues around 60k?

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    Default Re: Hoping to be a Smart Owner on Saturday

    Sadly at that mileage you're very likely to be nearing rebuild time - even with good service history. You may be lucky and get 10-20000 more miles from it, but most do end up needing them at 60000 or so. And is the reason why you see so many for sale around this mileage as owners start having to top up the oil & look to offload before the inevitable happens.

    Given its a LHD the cost of rebuild will likely be more than the car is worth.

    Unless it's already had a rebuild from a recognised specialist, or it's VERY cheap (I.e. 500 or less) I would not recommend buying it. A rebuild will cost around 800-1200+. Seeing as fudgesmart can sell you a freshly rebuilt RHD one for around 2000 you don't want to be paying much for this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 137699 View Post
    Sadly at that mileage you're very likely to be nearing rebuild time - even with good service history. You may be lucky and get 10-20000 more miles from it, but most do end up needing them at 60000 or so. And is the reason why you see so many for sale around this mileage as owners start having to top up the oil & look to offload before the inevitable happens.

    Given its a LHD the cost of rebuild will likely be more than the car is worth.

    Unless it's already had a rebuild from a recognised specialist, or it's VERY cheap (I.e. 500 or less) I would not recommend buying it. A rebuild will cost around 800-1200+. Seeing as fudgesmart can sell you a freshly rebuilt RHD one for around 2000 you don't want to be paying much for this one.
    Not a great post, we knew of smarts on their original engines which had not been looked after very well (foot to the floor and occasional service) which exceeded 120,000 miles prior to needing any attention. The engines are pretty good and from our experience you have to be unlucky to need a rebuild below 100,000 miles.
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    So if it's not drinking oil I'm lucky and if it is rebuild time?

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    Scaremongering! Come on MCC (Steve) give us your view on this and even Shona Mellor as I am sure Bertie hasn't has a rebuild.

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    Default Re: Hoping to be a Smart Owner on Saturday

    There are always exceptions, and it might sound like scaremongering but I have witnessed enough smarts needing rebuilt at around 50-80,000 miles (2 I have owned, and 2 friends/family cars included), and you only have to talk to fudge, smart-sport etc., to know that it's exception (rather than the rule) for 450's to get to anything north of this sort of mileage without needing a rebuild.

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    Either way I know a rebuild might come eventually. What is the first sign to look for.

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    Default Re: Hoping to be a Smart Owner on Saturday

    Consumption of oil without seeing where it's going...fuel consumption stays much the same...also look at the Carbon Monoxide emissions on MOT...mine was 299 ie one part shy of failure two weeks before expiry. To give an indication how long it can take...the For-Two started using oil at 70,000 miles...eventually expired 36,000 miles on...which was also two years and two MOTs later. The only other thing was the car seemed to be going really well before it gave up...which was just a cloud of smoke. Not sure whether an early rebuild is more economical...Regards ACE

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    Ok thank you Ace. Can you tell me why it is advised to turn the car off in reverse?

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    Default Re: Hoping to be a Smart Owner on Saturday

    2 reasons...


    1. There is no steering lock, but the gear lever gets locked in the reverse position so it is a security feature.
    2. If your handbrake fails or is loose, by leaving it in reverse it ensures the car does not roll.

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